Pat Regan 2011 preliminary results interview

Pat Regan, chief financial officer, talks about Aviva's 2011 full year results, including what's driving the group's performance, increased operating targets and the priorities for 2012.

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Interviewer: So, Pat, let’s begin by looking at what you’ve announced today. Talk us through the headline numbers.

Pat: Sure, thank you. So, the headline numbers, operating profit at over £2.5 billion, again, up some 6% on an underlying basis. Operating capital generation, which I think is a stand-out feature in our results today, at £2.1 billion, up some 25%. Life new business profitability at over 14%, which is a record high for us, I think. And our combined ratio at 96.8% and another improvement in the general insurance profitability.

Interviewer: Now, clearly significant is the increased net operating capital generation, what’s behind that?

Pat: Yeah, thanks for that. A few things, I think. One is the profitability and cash flow we make off our in-force customers on the life business.  We have almost 30 million customers, we do a good job in serving our customers well and keeping our customers, they give us a very predictable and growing stream of profits from our in-force life business.

Second is the increased profitability we make in general insurance, which adds, as well. And the third is, investing less capital, investing capital more efficiently in life new business profitability, which we’ve done, I think, really well over the last couple of years, almost halving the amount of capital we invest in life new business, whilst maintaining almost the same level of sales.

So, the combination of those three things, in-force life profits, growing general insurance profits, and more capital efficiency on the life investments.

Interviewer: Given that the dividend is clearly an important topic for your shareholders, what is driving Aviva’s dividend payment for 2011?

Pat: Yes, we’ve increased the overall full year dividend by some 2%, to 26p. We have a strong dividend yield, that’s one of the strong features of the Aviva story. And our profit cover, those £2.5 billion of operating profits, turn into a profit cover of over two times, and on our operating capital generation, that also translates to a very strong free cash flow yield supporting that dividend, as well.

Interviewer: The life insurance appears to be performing well, so give us some insight into the life result?

Pat: Yes, our life profits are up by some 7% in the year. And a couple of things that are going on there. One is the in-force amount of business that we’re managing has gone up, our in-force reserves have gone up, so we’re keeping more customers, and we’re adding to that stock of customers.

The second thing, as we write new business, we’re writing it at increasingly profitable levels, so that adds to the profitability, as well. And then we continue to get a strong flow of underwriting margin, so when we price business, on expenses, etcetera, we do even better, and we’re getting an increasing profitability stream from that.

Interviewer: Let’s talk about the general insurance business, how is that performing?

Pat: The general insurance business is both increasing profitability and growing at the same time. That’s clearly true in the UK, but true in our other big businesses around the world. Very strong results in Canada, some 95% combined ratio, very strong results in France, a 90% combined ratio, and a 96% combined ratio in the UK business. What’s a strong feature for all of them, we’re growing personal lines well, particularly personal motor.

Our brand’s working really well, we’re getting new customers in the door. We’re also really efficient in terms of how we’re managing that. Our expense ratios are down across the piece, so as we’re adding new customers, we’re doing that as essentially a flat expense base, and all the while sticking to our guns of having really good disciplines around things like underwriting and claims management.

Interviewer: To what extent would you say the 2011 performance was affected by market and economic conditions?

Pat: I think in terms of operating metrics, as you’ve seen, our operating metrics are very resilient. As you would expect, we saw some unrealised movements, our mark to market movements on our investments. And that impacted our bottom line profit before tax, at £87 million for the year, that was both in Delta Lloyd and in the rest of the Aviva business. Now, because they were unrealised, they’ve actually largely reversed, post-year end to the period now.

Interviewer: How have you been managing Aviva’s capital position?

Pat: We’ve done a lot of work over an extended period of time to build Aviva’s capital surpluses. Really, over the last two or three years, that strong net operating capital generation is a big feature of that, plus other kind of bigger things, like the sale of the RAC, the sell-down of Delta Lloyd, now down to a 40% holding from 100% a couple of years ago. Continued to work on our pension scheme and move that into a much better financial position.

So, some big picture stuff. We also worked on smaller things, like product pricing, product guarantee levels. All of that stood, as well, to build up our capital buffers to withstand what’s clearly been a very volatile period, particularly in Europe and the latter half of last year.

Interviewer: And you have a significant presence in Europe, to what extent has Aviva been affected by eurozone issues?

Pat: Well, as I say, clearly, the European financial markets were in a much more uncertain and volatile period, particularly in the second half of 2011. What you saw was corporate spreads move out and government spreads, indeed, move out, as well. In terms of our core operations, though, we increased operating profits in Europe, up some 4% or so, very strong results in places like France, Poland, Spain. And in a number of those areas, our new business sales, as well, were remarkably resilient.

So, I think what we tried to do was focus, again, on keeping our customers, managing them well, doing some good product pricing and managing our capital particularly efficiently in what was a volatile market.

Interviewer: Why have you confirmed your plans to increase Aviva’s targets for 2012?

Pat: Well, I think we feel good about the progress we’re making kind of more broadly. We set the financial targets originally just over a year ago, we beat each in our performance in 2011, so I talked about the operating performance, it’s been really resilient. Life new business profits, general insurance profits, and that operating capital number. So, I think, on the back of what we done in 2011, we felt confident enough to slightly increase those targets for 2012.

Interviewer: Finally, looking at year ahead, what are your thoughts about 2012?

Pat: Well, I think, operationally, again, we’re going to try and carry on doing the things we did in 2011, so, keep our customers happy, manage our expenses well, allocate our capital in a really kind of efficient and disciplined manner, and do all those things so we continue to generate strong profits and continue to generate strong operating capital generation.

Interviewer: Very interesting indeed, Pat, thanks for your insight.

Pat: A pleasure, thank you.

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